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Moonraker wrote:
RAFPOL wrote::D Incidently Moonraker, what is your particular subject?

"John Boy"
"Military Wiltshire 1897-1920". (OK I know it sounds like the specialist subject in Mastermind.)


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Like I say Moonraker, to each his own, although I must say "Your Chosen Subject" does sound like a Mastermind item, pretty profound I would say. Good hunting!
"John Boy"

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kevinramsdale wrote:Which brings to mind the most irritating phrase on Ebay "I cannot be held responsible for items lost in the post" (or similar statements)

I understand that this is downright illegal for a business seller (sale of goods act) and extremely questionable for anyone else.

In any other area of commerce this would not be acceptable.
Kevin: if someone claims that (s)he has not received an item, is the sender expected to refund the payment? Claimed non-receipt is obviously an issue for some eBay sellers, who point out that they get a Certificate of Posting. Some insist on using Recorded Delivery for items over £10. And I won one postcard for just under £8 from an Australian vendor, who insisted on sending it by Down Under's equivalent of Special Delivery, which cost me another £5 or so. (And he wasn't allowed to use commemorative stamps that would have sugared the pill - just a boring printed label.) I had spotted the postal charge before bidding and allowed for it in my estimate of what the item was worth, which meant I only offered the starting price; I was the only bidder.


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kevinramsdale wrote:Which brings to mind the most irritating phrase on Ebay "I cannot be held responsible for items lost in the post" (or similar statements)

I understand that this is downright illegal for a business seller (sale of goods act) and extremely questionable for anyone else.

In any other area of commerce this would not be acceptable.
Know what you mean. I remember that other old statement "Proof of posting is not proof of delivery" Don't see it about much anymore. These all sound rather like opt out clauses!!!!! If, as you suggest, it is illegal, how on earth are sellers permitted to include it?
"John Boy"

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Post by kevinramsdale »

It's an issue which crops up on the Ebay discussion boards from time to time.

Quite a few sellers I know would refund in the circumstances, others would need a certain amount of pressure applying.

I can't remember the precise legal position but certainly if an item is not received (or claimed not to have been) - and the sender has not used a trackable delivery method - then Paypal would do a chargeback on request without question. Bit trickier when a postal payment has been made of course.

I have refunded a few over the years, but haven't found it to be a major issue with postcards (probably it is worse with larger more "interesting" packages)

I'm sure the sellers who have auctions filled with such onerous terms and conditions lose far more in in the long run from potential buyers being deterred from bidding at all.
Kevin

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Post by kevinramsdale »

RAFPOL wrote:
Know what you mean. I remember that other old statement "Proof of posting is not proof of delivery" Don't see it about much anymore. These all sound rather like opt out clauses!!!!! If, as you suggest, it is illegal, how on earth are sellers permitted to include it?
"John Boy"
It's only illegal for business sellers, and is actually covered by the Distance Selling Regulations (not the sale of goods act as I previously thought)

I found this on the eBay powersellers discussion board

"Your buyer has a contract with you regarding the goods he has purchased. he pays , you send, he recieves. happy bunnies all round.
You then contract out to RM the task of getting his goods delivered. That contract is between you and the shipper, nothing whatsoever to do with your buyer.

Insurance is for the sellers benefit.
Recorded Del is for the sellers benefit.

How would you feel if you ordered online (forget the boot fair that is Ebay) a PC from Dell computers and it did not arrive. Would you accept their comment that it is not their problem but yours ?
Of course not"
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RAFPOL wrote::D Four times the fair price? Wow! More money than sense you suggest? I'm glad you said it but can't help agreeing with that! ... Crazy hobby at times eh?

"John Boy"
Well! The three evenings of bidding for the cards are over, and Wednesday was fun - half-a-dozen lots at minute intervals. (Haven't bothered with one of those last-minute sniping programs - perhaps I should.) And there were several people as crazy as I, and I didn't get everything I wanted. However, a dealer is asking £100 on eBay Buy It Now for a duplicate of one of the cards that was on offer; wish I'd not noted what it went for at auction - I already had it, cost me £19 at a fair three years ago!

One can philosophise about how people spend/waste their money: over-powered car that loses half its value in three years? expensive meal out (that usually leaves me bloated and with nothing to show for it 24 hours later? gambling (never my vice)? getting drunk on Friday and Saturday nights? travelling to the Continent to see 90 minutes of football?

If I spend £50 on a card worth £25 I've still got something to show for it!


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Sorry that you did not win everything. Still it does generate a little excitement and I suppose that is half the fun of ebay. I recently got pipped at the post for a comic card and emailed the winner to congratulate him. A couple of messages later resulted in him sending me a few unwanted comics that I was looking for!!!! All for the cost of the postage! It can't be all that bad eh? Good hunting to you all.

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RAFPOL wrote:... I recently got pipped at the post for a comic card and emailed the winner to congratulate him. A couple of messages later resulted in him sending me a few unwanted comics that I was looking for!!!!
"John Boy"
Last year I put in a bid of up to four times the dealer's rate for a postcard of soldiers lined up in a small Wiltshire hamlet, but I still got beaten. I emailed the winner, to find out that he collected cards of the hamlet and didn't even know there had been an army camp there in the Great War. So I sent him all my notes on it - and never got a thank you!

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:( I don,t know, what has happened to good manners and common politeness? However, there you go. You made a very high bid and still got pipped at the post! I don't know if this is a healthy sign or not, it does tend to inflate prices somewhat and I really don,t know what the solution is. Do we need any sort of regulation or common sense control? Or do we leave it to market forces and the survival of the richest collector? Hope you have better luck next time should that much sort after card appears again.

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Re: Ebay Auction Site

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Last week on eBay a card of a Great War army camp was on offer with a starting price of £16 - which someone offered; the printed caption was "THE CAMP, GENERAL VIEW", but the message and postmark indicated that it featured Lark Hill Camp in Wiltshire. At the Reading PC fair today, an unused copy of the card was on offer at £3.50. There are countless cards of many different sites captioned "THE CAMP", and but for the "help" from eBay I would have passed this one over. An average price for a Lark Hill Camp card is £8, so I was pleased with my buy.


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Re: Ebay Auction Site

Post by 212kelvin »

I sell only modern postcards on eBay and am a power seller. I can tell you that the average amount I get per card pretty much depends on the topic. (Sometimes it depends on the way the wind is blowing in the UK)

Topics such as sexy males or females, nude or risque, tend to sell higher than others. These cards generally sell for between $3 and $6 per card. Certain gay related postcards will sell high, like Tom of Finland, fetish related or groups like Dykes on Bikes, usually about $3 per card. Other hot topics include pigs, certain famous people like Madonna, beverage advertisements, ciggarette advertisements, unusual modern art, and Disney Theme Parks. Those can sell from $5 to $12 per card. Hot this month is t.a.T.u. I sold a couple of them for over $20 per card. Rhinocerous sells for an average of $3-$5 per card. Mermaids are good sellers averaging about $4 per card. Wizard of Oz that are not common views sell for $3-$5 per card.


Some topics sell consistently but at a lower overall price, say $1 USD average. These include people such as Kylie Minogue, Donna Summer, Naomi Campbell, Moby, Yoko Ono, and Morrissey and the Smiths. Additionally Absolut vodka will generally sell around $1 per card. Artists such as Keith Haring sells at an average price of about $1 per card. Angels go for about $2 per card. South Park characters go for about $1 per card. Mona Lisa averages about $2 per card. Tom Bianchi photos go for $2-$3 per card.


There are some topics that just don't move. These include general Disney not park related, some people such John Travolta, Georgia O'Keefe, and Jim Morrison. Dogs don't usually sell. Movie onesheets are particularly good sellers. Birthday postcards, frogs, clowns, Disney Pixar, Disney movies, brides, local scenes rarely sell, and general advertising unless it is specific to a certain city or pre-1980 don't sell.

As I mentioned I sell on eBay and sell only modern 4x6 postcards. I can give you my overall average price per card. The items I just mentioned are just what I remember as being hot or not. The following list is the average price I got per card selling on eBay.


in January 2008 was $1.83 USD with a total sales of 72 items
in February 2008 it was $1.96 USD with a total sales of 59 items
in March 2008 it was $2.91 USD with a total sales of 456 items
in April 2008 was $2.83 USD with a total sales of 224 items
in May 2008 it was $3.23 USD with a total sales of 149 items
in June 2008 it was $2.17 USD with a total sales of 157 items
in July 2008 it was $3.25 USD with a total sales of 103 items.


That makes the average price of a modern postcard for the year 2008 to date is $2.60 USD with a total sales of 1220 items.

I hope this all makes sense to you and gives you an idea of what modern postcards can fetch. The most I ever sold a modern postcard for was $125 USD for a Ronald Reagan postcard. Next was $95 for a Rudolph Valentino postcard. Other high priced postcards I have sold include t.a.T.u. for $26, Alvin and the Chipmonks for $31. And a unusual giant pig art postcard for $36. These, of course, are the exceptions and the price they fetch definitely depends on the way the wind is blowing in the UK!

I am starting to sell modern postcards using photographs I personally took. I am an amateur photographer and have been told I have a great eye for taking pictures. I have been told many times that I should look into selling my photos as postcards. I have considered it, but given the cost to print up a minimum of 500 or so of each photo it was cost prohibitive. I just found a way to test the waters and see if my photos will really sell as postcards.

I opened a gallery online at http://www.zazzle.com/212kelvin* where you can order my photos as postcards with no minimum quantity required. You can buy a single postcard or as many of each as you want. I sell them there for only $1.10 each. Of course I make a commission on them. It's not much per card and I won't be able to quit my job. But I will be able to hopefully make a little bit of money and find out if I really can sell my photos with any degree of success.

My photos are of San Francisco and Boston. City views such as skylines, buildings and architecture. You will also find some original digital art I have made. Some of my photos you might like to frame or to keep, depending on your collecting interests. Please have a peek at my gallery and let me know if you have any comments or questions. I'll be happy to hear from you.

Thanks for reading my long post. I hope you found it helpful. ~ Kevin

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Moonraker wrote:
RAFPOL wrote::D Four times the fair price? Wow! More money than sense you suggest? I'm glad you said it but can't help agreeing with that! ... Crazy hobby at times eh?

"John Boy"
Well! The three evenings of bidding for the cards are over, and Wednesday was fun - half-a-dozen lots at minute intervals. (Haven't bothered with one of those last-minute sniping programs - perhaps I should.) And there were several people as crazy as I, and I didn't get everything I wanted. However, a dealer is asking £100 on eBay Buy It Now for a duplicate of one of the cards that was on offer; wish I'd not noted what it went for at auction - I already had it, cost me £19 at a fair three years ago!

One can philosophise about how people spend/waste their money: over-powered car that loses half its value in three years? expensive meal out (that usually leaves me bloated and with nothing to show for it 24 hours later? gambling (never my vice)? getting drunk on Friday and Saturday nights? travelling to the Continent to see 90 minutes of football?

If I spend £50 on a card worth £25 I've still got something to show for it!


Moonraker
Monetary values exist for almost all postcards, but sometimes it is difficult to put a value on what that card will mean as a part of one's collection. If one of the raison d'etres of collecting is to bring together in one place a series of items previously dispersed -- and, in doing such, provide new meaning to the series as a whole -- a sum greater than its parts -- then buy it, value it, love it. :D I say, well done.

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